Кто платит за крестины в церкви в: Оплата обряда (крещение). Вопрос.. — пишет Ирина на BabyBlog

Обвинители не просто уверены, что в храме все должно делаться бесплатно, они даже ссылаются на такие эпизоды Священного Писания как изгнание Спасителем торговцев из Иерусалимского храма или случай, когда апостол Петр отказался крестить человека, предлагавшего деньги за крещение. Особое же возмущение вызывает сумма: кажется, что за крещение берут слишком дорого.

Люди, которые требуют, чтобы в храмах все делалось бесплатно, не понимают или не хотят понимать, что храм – материальный объект, который нужно содержать, ремонтировать, что время от времени нужно приобретать новое облачение для священников, церковную утварь и книги, нужно покупать елей и ладан. Все это стоит денег.

Священнослужители понимают, что посещение храма не должно превращаться в платную услугу, ведь тогда оно будет доступно не всем. Ни в одном храме не берут денег за исповедь, причастие, тем более – за само присутствие на богослужении (для сравнения: за беседу с психотерапевтом или присутствие на концерте приходится платить). Но есть события, которые происходят в жизни человека лишь однажды: крещение, венчание, отпевание. Один раз вполне можно заплатить.

В сущности, плата за таинства и обряды – это пожертвование на храм. Было бы логично не устанавливать цену, а предложить людям дать денег, сколько они пожелают. В некоторых храмах так и поступают, но иногда такая ситуация создает неловкость: людям трудно решить, сколько дать, и они просят, чтобы им назвали конкретную сумму. Установление определенной цены помогает избежать такой неловкости.

Плата прихожан за некоторые обряды и таинства, в том числе и за крещение детей, необходима за содержание храма. Затраты могут быть разными. Содержание кафедрального собора обходится дороже, чем какой-нибудь маленькой церкви на окраине города, и если родители хотят крестить ребенка именно в кафедральном соборе, они должны быть готовы платить больше.

В некоторых храмах крещаемому предоставляют нательный крест, сорочку и все прочее, что нужно для крещения, и стоимость всех этих предметах включается в цену. Тогда плата для крещение действительно может превышать 1000 р., но ведь родителям все равно пришлось бы купить все необходимое. Денежные затраты оказались бы такими же, а хлопот было бы больше.

Следует заметить, что «дорого» и «дешево» – понятия субъективные, и не всегда они зависит от уровня доходов. Заплатить 1900 р. за смартфон – «дешево», а 500 р. за крещение ребенка – «дорого». Такой подход свидетельствует о том, что планшет для человека более значим, чем спасение души собственного сына или дочери.

Конечно, для малоимущей семьи и сумма в 500 р. может оказаться ощутимым ударом по семейному бюджету, но в этом случае можно объяснить ситуацию священнику – и он обязательно пойдет навстречу. Если же люди, не испытывающие финансовых трудностей, считают плату за крещение чрезмерной тратой, значит, крещение вообще и христианская вера в частности не является для них ценностью. Возможность христианского воспитания ребенка в такой семье вызывает серьезные сомнения, что заставляет усомниться и в целесообразности крещения.

90000 I’m a devout son of a Christian pastor, and I think the church is creating atheists — RT Op-ed 90001 90002

Saccharine services and an unwillingness to address tough issues are driving people away from the church in the US. Christians should get real about what’s happening.

90003 90002 Jonathan Steingard, the singer in the popular Christian band Hawk Nelson, recently declared that he no longer believes in God. 90003 90002 90007 «After growing up in a Christian home, being a pastor’s kid, playing and singing in a Christian band, and having the word ‘Christian’ in front of most of the things in my life — I am now finding that I no longer believe in God, «90008 he said.90003 90002 For someone like me, who is a believer, it hurts to read that. Every person who believes in God understands what it’s like to have a crisis of faith. It is an incredibly painful experience to go through. 90003 90002 But it’s also something I can identify with. My father is a pastor as well, and I grew up in the church. There used to be a joke that I was born in a pew. I’ve always been an Evangelical, except for a period in my teenage years. 90003 90002 So I understand when Steingard mentions things that make him uncomfortable such as prayer feeling 90007 «like a performance art» 90008 and phrases such as 90007 «Holy Spirit come fill this place.»90008 A lot of issues with the Evangelical Church surround the fact that it’s often less of a worship service and more of a stage show. 90003 90020 Predictable services 90021 90002 Many worship services I’ve attended are predictable. The music is made up largely of covers of whatever you’re hearing on Christian radio. Then you have time for communion, and then the offering and then the sermon. There’s an altar call — where those who have not been baptized are invited to become Christians — and then everyone goes home.90003 90002 The songs are very emotional and meant to get you in a certain, gentle mindset of happiness. Sermons I’ve seen at several churches can best be described as fluff jobs. There’s an almost predictable beat to them, and they often feel like basic kindergarten Sunday School lessons, but for adults. 90003 90002 Here’s the truth about Christianity. It is not simple. At all. There are things that happen within the Bible that bring up tough questions in the mind, and the answers are not always easy to process.Life does that as well. Problems of the nature of pain, of loss, and of the nature of God are so tough to address that the best pastors you’ll meet have to attend four years of college to really understand. 90003

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90002 The recently passed Ravi Zacharias authored several books tackling the problem of pain (also known as theodicy).C. S. Lewis wrote the definitive book on the subject, The Problem of Pain, and it’s one of the hardest books you’ll ever read due to the complexity of the subject. 90003 90002 Zacharias once criticized atheism by saying that it 90007 «can not answer the questions of the four year old.» 90008 I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly, but the church is also failing people when it comes to answering similar basic questions. 90003 90002 90007 «Why do we suffer?» 90008 90003 90002 90007 «Why is God so wrathful in the Old Testament, and loving in the New?» 90008 90003 90002 90007 «Why did the book of Job pan out the way it did?» 90008 90003 90002 To someone such as myself who has studied the topic, these are difficult questions.They took lots of time for me to understand. Even now, I still have discussions with friends of mine with similar backgrounds about the answers. These should be addressed in Sunday services, but the Evangelical Church does not seem to be interested in doing so. 90003 90020 Gay marriage protests 90021 90002 Instead, it often appears more interested in being a voting bloc than an actual church. The protests against gay marriage come to mind. Many Christians are still more concerned with what people do in their bedroom than loving their neighbor.90003 90002 They do not learn basic lessons such as 90007 «judge not lest ye be judged yourself» 90008 and 90007 «first take the plank out of your own eye.» 90008 Or even 90007 «let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.» 90008 Even going back to the Satanic Panic, it’s obvious that Evangelicals care more about control than they do changing lives for the better. 90003 90002 These unloving behaviors get noticed by people all the time. I’ve seen them in almost every single church I’ve ever attended, and what kills me most is that they are not Christ-like.90003 90002 If your prayer looks like a performance art, you did not pay attention to Jesus. If you spend all of your time judging others rather than working on yourself, you did not pay attention to Jesus. If you care more about government influence than loving others, you did not pay attention to Jesus. 90003

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90002 Dietrich Bonhoeffer goes over the concept of 90007 «costly grace» 90008 in his book The Cost of Discipleship.It’s one that any believer should read, because it needs to be understood. Christians believe that our salvation came from God coming to earth and dying as the final sacrifice. It cost blood. 90003 90002 As such, there is an expectation for Christians to have a similar devotion to the rest of humanity. The willingness to take on tough challenges, to make sacrifices and to constantly endeavor to become better. That same Bonhoeffer saw the rise of Adolf Hitler, and knew that if Christianity fell, it was the end of civilization.Should it be any surprise that my nation, the US, sees fewer Christians every year and many of our cities are on fire right now? 90003 90002 I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus. As such, I believe that He is capable of healing a broken world. But that belief has to come with action. The willingness to be a better man and be better to those who Christ called our neighbors. But people need guidance from the Evangelical Church. If it can not take the time to focus on the hard stuff, it is doomed. What it’s offering right now is cotton candy Christianity.It’s sugary, fluffy, and ultimately leaves you spiritually empty. 90003 90002 You can not live off that. 90003 90002 90075 90007 If you like this story, share it with a friend! 90008 90078 90003 90002 The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT. 90003.90000 90001 the partnership of Church and state 90002 90003 90004 90005 We can not know how or when Christianity first reached Britain, but it was certainly well before Christianity was accepted by the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early fourth century ad. In the last hundred years of Roman government Christianity became firmly established across Britain, both in Roman-controlled areas and beyond. However, the Anglo-Saxons belonged to an older Germanic religion, and they drove the Celts into the west and north.In the Celtic areas Christianity continued to spread, bringing paganism to an end. The map of Wales shows a number of place-names beginning or ending with 90006 llan, 90007 meaning the site of a small Celtic monastery around which a village or town grew. 90008
90005 In 597 Pope Gregory the Great sent a monk, Augustine, to re-establish Christianity in England. He went to Canterbury, the capital of the king of Kent. He did so because the king’s wife came from Europe and was already Christian.Augustine became the first Archbishop of Canterbury in 601. He was very successful. Several ruling families in England accepted Christianity. But Augustine and his group of monks made little progress with the ordinary people. This was partly because Augustine was interested in establishing Christian authority, and that meant bringing rulers to the new faith. 90008
90005 It was the Celtic Church which brought Christianity to the ordinary people of Britain. The Celtic bishops went out from their monasteries of Wales, Ireland and Scotland, walking from village to village teaching Christianity.In spite of the differences between Anglo-Saxons and Celts, these bishops seem to have been readily accepted in Anglo-Saxon areas. The bishops from the Roman Church lived at the courts of the kings, which they made centres of Church power across England. The two Christian Churches, Celtic and Roman, could hardly have been more different in character. One was most interested in the hearts of ordinary people, the other was interested in authority and organisation. The competition between the Celtic and Roman Churches reached a crisis because they disagreed over the date of Easter.In 663 at the Synod (meeting) of Whitby the king of Northumbria decided to support the Roman Church. The Celtic Church retreated as Rome extended its authority over all Christians, even in Celtic parts of the island. 90008
90005 England had become Christian very quickly. By 660 only Sussex and the Isle of Wight had not accepted the new faith. Twenty years later, English teachers returned to the lands from which the Anglo-Saxons had come, bringing Christianity to much of Germany. 90008
90005 Saxon kings helped the Church to grow, but the Church also increased the power of kings.Bishops gave kings their support, which made it harder for royal power to be questioned. Kings had «God’s approval». An eldest son did not automatically become king, as kings were chosen from among the members of the royal family, and any member who had enough soldiers might try for the throne. In addition, at a time when one king might try to conquer a neighbouring kingdom, he would probably have a son to whom he would wish to pass this enlarged kingdom when he died. And so when King Offa arranged for his son to be crowned as his successor, he made sure that this was done at a Christian ceremony led by a bishop.It was good political propaganda, because it suggested that kings were chosen not only by people but also by God. 90008 90017

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90005 There were other ways in which the Church increased the power of the English state. It established monasteries, or 90006 minsters, 90007 for example Westminster, which were places of learning and education. These monasteries trained the men who could read and write, so that they had the necessary skills for the growth of royal and Church authority.The king who made most use of the Church was Alfred, the great king who ruled Wessex from 871-899. He used the literate men of the Church to help establish a system of law, to educate the people and to write down important matters. He started the 90006 Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, 90007 the most important source, together with Bede’s 90006 Ecclesiastical History of the English People, 90007 for understanding the period. 90008
90005 During the next hundred years, laws were made on a large number of matters.By the eleventh century royal authority probably went wider and deeper in England than in any other European country. 90008
90005 This process gave power into the hands of those who could read and write, and in this way class divisions were increased. The power of landlords, who had been given land by the king, was increased because their names were written down. Peasants, who could neither read nor write, could lose their traditional rights to their land, because their rights were not registered.90008
90005 The Anglo-Saxon kings also preferred the Roman Church to the Celtic Church for economic reasons. Villages and towns grew around the monasteries and increased local trade. Many bishops and monks in England were from the Prankish lands (France and Germany) and elsewhere. They were invited by English rulers who wished to benefit from closer Church and economic contact with Europe. Most of these bishops and monks seem to have come from churches or monasteries along Europe’s vital trade routes.In this way close contact with many parts of Europe was encouraged. In addition they all used Latin, the written language of Rome, and this encouraged English trade with the continent. Increased literacy itself helped trade. Anglo-Saxon England became well known in Europe for its exports of woollen goods, cheese, hunting dogs, pottery and metal goods. It imported wine, fish, pepper, jewellery and wheel-made pottery. 90008
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90005 90008 90037 90005 Date: 2015-01-02; view: 1963 90008 90037 90041 90042.90000 The christening without much Christianity: Anglican church offers ‘baptism lite’ to attract non-worshippers 90001 90002 The christening without much Christianity: Anglican church offers ‘baptism lite’ to attract non-worshippers 90003 90004 By Steve Doughty for the Daily Mail 90005 Updated : 90006 2:10 BST, 18 January 2011 90007 90008 90004 Church of England baptism services may be re-written to remove some references to Christianity. 90005 90008 90004 The plan for a new ‘baptism lite’ service designed to make christenings more interesting to non-churchgoers will be considered next month by the Church’s parliament, the General Synod.90005 90008 90004 Supporters say the baptism service should be ‘expressed in culturally appropriate and accessible language’ that is readily understood by ‘non-theologically versed Britons’. 90005 But traditionalist clergy said the idea amounted to ‘dumbing down’. 90005 90008 90019 90019 90004 The plan for a new ‘baptism lite’ service which uses ‘accessible language’ and makes christenings more interesting to non-churchgoers will be considered next month by the Church’s parliament 90008 90004 The new service would be used at 150,000 christenings each year.If the plan is accepted, it will be the third full re-write of the baptism ceremony in around 30 years — the version in the Church’s Book of Common Prayer went virtually unaltered for more than 400 years until 1980. 90005 90008 90004 Complaints centre on three sections of the baptism service from the Church’s latest prayer book, Common Worship, authorised for use in 1997. 90005 90008 90004 In one, parents, godparents or an adult being baptised are asked to ‘reject the devil and all rebellion against God’ and to renounce ‘the deceit and corruption of evil’.They are asked to ‘submit to Christ as Lord’. 90005 90008 90004 The Reverend Dr Tim Stratford, from Liverpool, who is putting the plans before the synod, said in a paper that ‘there remains some unhappiness about the language not being earthed enough’. 90005 90008 90004 He added: ‘The concern is one of the language not making strong enough connections to life choices in such a way that it can be heard.’ 90005 90008 90004 Dr Stratford and his supporters have also called for a new version of prayers that refer to the symbolic role of water in baptism.90005 90008 90004 He said that among clergy from poor and inner city parishes ‘there was a strong plea for a shorter prayer in direct but poetic language that allows the Gospel to resonate better with people’s experience of life’. 90005 90008 90004 He added: ‘This was not a plea for a prayer in Scouse, but for a prayer that the majority of non-theologically versed Britons would understand.’ A third part of the service was condemned as too long and not ‘direct ‘. 90005 90008 90004 Stephen Parkinson, of the Anglo-Catholic Forward in Faith organisation, said there were problems with the 1997 service, but added: ‘Simply dumbing it down is not the answer.’90005 90008 90004 Bishops indicated yesterday that if the Synod accepts the argument a committee will be instructed to begin writing a new baptism service, but they warned that such re-writing would raise arguments over faith and doctrine. 90005 90008 90004 William Fittall, secretary general of the synod, said that bishops are ‘clear that now is not the time to embark on the long and complex process involved in such a revision or replacement’. 90005 90008.90000 BBC — Religions — Christianity: The basics of Christian beliefs 90001

90002 God, Jesus and the saints 90003

90004 God 90005

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90007 Christians believe that there is only one God, whom they call Father as Jesus Christ taught them. 90008

90004 Jesus 90005

90007 Christians recognise Jesus as the Son of God who was sent to save mankind from death and sin. 90008

90007 Jesus Christ taught that he was Son of God. His teachings can be summarised, briefly as the love of God and love of one’s neighbour.90008

90007 Jesus said that he had come to fulfil God’s law rather than teach it. 90008

90004 Justification by faith 90005

90007 Christians believe in justification by faith — that through their belief in Jesus as the Son of God, and in his death and resurrection, they can have a right relationship with God whose forgiveness was made once and for all through the death of Jesus Christ. 90008

90004 The Trinity 90005

90007 Christians believe in the Trinity — that is, in God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.90008

90007 Some confuse this and think that Christians believe in three separate gods, which they do not. 90008

90007 Christians believe that God took human form as Jesus Christ and that God is present today through the work of the Holy Spirit and evident in the actions of believers. 90008

90004 Life after death 90005

90007 Christians believe that there is a life after earthly death. 90008

90007 While the actual nature of this life is not known, Christians believe that many spiritual experiences in this life help to give them some idea of ​​what eternal life will be like.90008

90004 The Saints 90005

90007 These days, the word saint is most commonly used to refer to a Christian who has lived a particularly good and holy life on earth, and with whom miracles are claimed to have been associated after their death. 90008

90007 The formal title of Saint is conferred by the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches through a process called 90040 canonisation 90041. 90008

90007 Members of these Churches also believe that Saints created in this way can intercede with God on behalf of people who are alive today.This is not accepted by most Protestants. 90008

90007 In the Bible, however, the word saint is used as a description of anyone who is a committed believer, particularly by St. Paul in the New Testament (e.g. Ephesians 1.1. And 1.15). 90008

90002 Prayer and ritual 90003

90004 Prayer 90005

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90007 Prayer is the means by which Christians communicate with their God. 90008

90007 The New Testament records that Jesus taught his disciples how to pray and that he encouraged them to address God as 90040 Father 90041.Christians believe that they continue this tradition. 90008

90007 Sometimes the prayers are formal and part of a ritual laid down for hundreds of years. 90008

90007 Others are personal and spontaneous, and come from personal or group need. 90008

90007 Whilst prayer is often directed to God as Father, as taught by Jesus, some traditions encourage prayer to God through intermediaries such as saints and martyrs. 90008

90007 Prayers through Mary, as the mother of God, are central to some churches and form a traditional part of their worship.90008

90004 The Church 90005

90007 The Christian church is fundamental to believers. Although it has many faults it is recognised as God’s body on earth. 90008

90007 The church is the place where the Christian faith is nurtured and where the Holy Spirit is manifest on earth. 90008

90007 It is where Christians are received into the faith and where they are brought together into one body through the Eucharist. 90008

90004 Baptism 90005

90007 The Christian church believes in one 90040 baptism 90041 into the Christian church, whether this be as an infant or as an adult, as an outward sign of an inward commitment to the teachings of Jesus.90008

90004 Eucharist 90005

90007 90040 Eucharist 90041 is a Greek word for thanksgiving. Its celebration is to commemorate the final meal that Jesus took with his disciples before his death (the Last Supper). 90008

90007 This rite comes from the actions of Jesus who, at that meal, took bread and wine and asked his disciples to consume them and continue to do so in memory of him. 90008

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90007 At the meal, the wine represented his blood and the bread his body. 90008

90007 The Eucharist (also known as a Communion meal in some churches) is central to the Church and is recognised as a sign of unity amongst Christians.90008

90007 Different Churches understand and practice the Eucharist in different ways. As a result, the central ideas of the Eucharist can cause disharmony rather than unity. 90008

90007 For example, the idea that Christ is present in the bread and wine is interpreted literally by some churches and metaphorically by others. This has given rise to substantial and often irreconcilable disagreement. 90008

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